From: messenger_only2002 [messenger_only2002@yahoo.com]

To: Vaisnavacouncil@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Vaisnavacouncil] the books and JAS

Email narration by Madhuvisa dasa -

As far as JAS [Jayadvaita Swami] he was chasing me at mangal aroti, whenever he saw me walking around, etc. I was avoiding but finally he dragged me away and said rather roughly "I want to talk to you!" He wanted me to go to his room but I said it is nice, why not talk here in the park? He didn't like that idea but we did for a while. He was very rough demanding that he is a senior devotee. I should surrender to him and accept whatever he has done, demanding that I take down all my websites and publish widely letters apologizing to him and endorsing his versions of Srila Prabhupada's books.

All the while saying "come to my room..." So finally I did. Then, in his room, all hell broke loose. He was screaming and shouting "shithead, shithead, shithead..why don't you accept me as your authority...Take down all your websites. He was so crazy I really was very shocked. He was pounding me with his fists and kicking me and hitting the walls and kicking the furniture around all the time to the "shithead, shithead, shithead" mantra. And sometimes he would become tired and lie down on his bed to re-gather his energy.

I was just sitting there chanting Hare Krishna completely stunned. I had no idea at all that JAS was so crazy. There is no question in my mind now, he is completely insane. He is supposed to be a swami, one who is the master of his senses but his is completely out of control.

He let me know in no uncertain terms that it was only because of three crazy devotees that his books were ever challenged.

Kirtanananda, Hansadutta and me. He told me for years he has been trying to destroy my preaching. We saw that recently in LA. He tried to poison so many devotees against me. Yadubara and many others. But somehow his actions have not had much effect.

Ultimately I left his room, completely shocked. I could never believe he would act like this. He was still waving his arms around "shithead, shithead, shithead." Anyhow he is very afraid of Hansadutta Prabhu and by Krishna's arrangement Bhakti Charu Swami paid Hansadutta's airfare to Mayapur to give him some inspiration for the animation project he plans to start here in Mayapur. He arrived here the morning after JAS's "shithead, shithead, shithead" explosion.

Hansadutta said the first person he saw here was JAS when he saw him he looked like he had seen a ghost. JAS tried to attack Hansadutta, that he [JAS] was a BBT trustee. That is as far as he got and Hansadutta completely demolished him. So we have not seen JAS since them. How on earth can ISKCON have such crazy people in such high positions. It is insane. Hansadutta says I should have recorded it and posted it on the internet then everyone could see what sort of "swami" he is.

JAS admitted finally during the "shithead, shithead" that there was never a complete list of the changes to the Gita circulated to the devotees. Only a list of changes to the translations. He also admitted and we know it that the changes to the purports are "very extensive." And to this day the only person who is aware of these xtensive changes to Prabhupada's purports is JAS. No one else has ever seen them or knows what they are or review them. He also expressed his disgust that Prabhupada's original books are being printed and distributed and said, "It's only the ritviks who are buying them."

Anyhow enough of JAS. [unrelated discussion removed. Ed.]

The above Email is by Madhuvisa dasa, who said,

[“… that email is already going around the devotees so I think there is no problem if you want to send it to some other devotees or post it or whatever. I do not mind. If it helps to do something about JAS that would be great.

He is a real problem. He was running "Kirtan Reform Workshops" in Mayapur. And saying many very nice thngs like we should stick to Hare Krishna and Srila Krishna Caitanya Prabhu Nityananda Sri Advaita Gadadhar Srivsadi Gaura Bhakta Vrinda and that we should not change the tune every few minutes and that we should use Prabhupada's tunes, etc.  All very nice.  But the catch is he is preaching that we should eliminate the Prabhupada pramams: "Nama om Vishnu padaya krsna presthaya bhutale srimate bhakti Vedanta swami iti namine. Namste sarasvate deve gaura vani pracharine nirvishesa sunyavadi paschatya desa tarine" from the Mangal-Aroti kirtans...

He says chanting the pranams to Prabhuapda is redundant. After all, according to him, that is what the samsara prayers are about anyhow?

Of course if we eliminate the Prabhupada pranams that means Prabhupada will not be even mentioned at all in the Mangal-Aroti...

It is impresonalism, if we are praying to the guru then which guru?

The name has to be there. So if somehow devotees can wake up to his actual nature that will be a great step forward for Srila Prabhupada's movement.”]

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