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  Srila Prabhupada said:


"Srila Vyasadeva revealed these statements after perfect realization and therefore they are perfect, for liberated sages like Vyasadeva never commit errors in their rhetorical arrangements. Unless one accepts this fact, there is no use in trying to obtain help from the revealed scriptures."  -- CC Adi-Lila Chapter 2 text 86 purport.

"If you concoct, 'I am more intelligent than my Guru,' 'I can make additions and alterations,' then you are finished." -- Srila Prabhupada lecture July 12, 1975 Philadelphia Pa.

"We cannot water down the philosophy to make it more palatable. Our books must remain as they are." -- Srila Prabhupada letter to Lilavati devi dasi March 31, 1977.


 

  Notable Quotes:


Jasomatinandan prabhu:  " ... commonsense dictates that except for typographical mistakes such as "planet of the trees," no editions and subtractions should be done from 1972 edition."


 

 
 
 

"DONT CHANGE ... ONE WORD ..." -- Srila Prabhupada
Author: Damaghosa Das
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THIS IS THE REAL BOTTOM LINE - WHAT SRILA PRABHUPADA WANTED US TO DO.

 


From: DasDasDas@aol.com [mailto:DasDasDas@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 11:10 AM
To: gourasundara@webtv.net
Subject: "DONT CHANGE.... ONE WORD........."...Srila Prabhupada

 

Hare Krsna Prabhus-

Pranams

All glories to Prabhupada

 

What follows is first, a letter I received back from Satya Devi dasi (probably on behalf of  Jayadvaita swami) regarding the capitalization of letters in Prabhupadas books in reference to Divinities (like Krsna Radha Balaram Visnu, etc)

 

Right after that letter is my reply to Jayadvaita / her

Hari bol-hope you all are well and enjoying Prabhupadas ORIGINAL books.

Damaghosa das

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Satya devi dasi writes.....

 

Prabhus,

Please accept my humble obeisances.  All glories to your service.  All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

I have just read the posted emails regarding the capitalization of Krsna's pronouns from both of you.  I would like to apologize in advance for the length of this note, but I feel that full text quotes are appropriate for this discussion.

Damaghosa Prabhu, when Chicago is mentioned, the reference is to The Chicago Manual of Style.  This is a standard book for publishing companies—especially academic publishing companies--to use for questions of grammar, punctuation, and more.  I do not have the
most recent version here--I have the Thirteenth Edition and they're up to Fifteenth at this time—but it does agree with Jayadvaita Swami.  It's introductory paragraph, 7.74, says:

"In few areas is an author more tempted to overcapitalize or an editor more loath to urge a
lowercase style than in that of religion.  That this is probably due to unanalyzed acceptance of the pious customs of an earlier age, to an unconscious feeling about words as in themselves numinous, or to fear of offending religious persons is suggested by the fact that overcapitalization is seldom seen in texts on the religions of antiquity or latter-day primitive religions.  It is in the context of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, and Hinduism that we are tempted and fall. 

 

The editors of the University Chicago Press urge a spare, “down” style in this field as in others: capitalize what are clearly proper nouns and adjectives, and lowercase all else except to avoid
ambiguity.  The following paragraphs attempt to be an empirical guide to the present state of capitalization in religious contexts." (There are six pages of examples following this.)

Jayadvaita Swami, while I was investigating this on the Chicago Manual of Style's website I ran into the following in their question and answer section. (http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/cmosfaq.html)

Q. What is the proper pronoun form to use to refer to God? I was taught to capitalize the pronoun “He” when “God” was the antecedent. However, I checked a number of standard grammar handbooks and can’t find any information on this point. Have the rules changed?

A. Chicago lowercases such pronouns, but it’s not wrong to uppercase, especially if you are writing for a religious readership or anyone else who might take lowercasing as a sign of disrespect. In matters of style, in contrast to those of grammar, there are few right or wrong answers. Different houses follow different style guides in order to make their publications consistent.

It is interesting to see that you're both right.  But still, a choice needs to be made between the two
recommendations.  As a publishing house of religious scripture, I would suggest that the BBT style guide not be changed, that pronouns refering to Lord Krsna and Srimati Radharani continue to be capitalized, and that we continue to follow in the steps of Srila Prabhupada.

Yours in service to Srila Prabhupada,

 

Satya devi dasi

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AND NOW MY LETTER IN REPLY TO THE ABOVE LETTER.

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In a message dated 3/10/2006 6:11:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, satyadevidasi@yahoo.com writes:

 

That this is probably due to unanalyzed acceptance of the pious customs of an earlier age, to an unconscious feeling about words as in themselves numinous, or to fear of offending religious persons is suggested by the fact that overcapitalization is seldom seen in texts on the religions of antiquity or latter-day primitive religions

 

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Dear Satya devi dasi

Pranams

All glories to Srila Prabhupada

 

In the above statement from The Univ of Chicago Manual of Style we see many telling signs of the illusory energy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

 

1) First they say this capitalization of the names of God is probably due to the... "unanalyzed acceptance of the customs of an earlier age"--

 

When I read this it smacks to me of my needing a shrink/psychoanalyst if I lived in earlier ages and I would show respect for Divinity if I capitalized a word referring to God. Because they have no respect therefore we the modern man should also show similarly no respect as they??

 

I dont think so.

 

2)The word numinous...is interesting, and they say..."unconscious feeling about words as in themselves numinous...."

 

If you look up that word in the dictionary it says about numinous---a) the presiding divinity or spirit....b) the spirit believed by animists to inhabit  certain natural objects c) divine power, deity...

 

So in this statement by the Chicago Manual of style it is clear to me that they do NOT believe that Divinity can be inherent within WORDS or OBJECTS. Therefore they advocate the lower case of letters for these "things".

 

This is mayavada philosophy, namely that everything is one and that God, if you even believe in such a Person and if "he" appears here in this world is just like us and has a material BODY and NAME - therefore we at the Chicago Manual of style do NOT advocate upper case for such a divinity.

 

What a load of Horse pucky!!! -- my comment.

 

3) Finally this capitalization of words referring to God they say.." is seldom seen in the texts or religions of antiquity or latter day primitive religions".......

 

This is probably referring to  religions worshipping ghosts, spirits, demigods, etc,but it is unclear specifically the way it is written. 

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Below, we have the actual Divine words spoken by our Srila Prabhupada which to us are our life and soul. No need for any literary board, university scholars, or popular vote.

 

THIS IS THE REAL BOTTOM LINE-- WHAT SRILA PRABHUPADA WANTED US TO DO.

 

NO NEED OF ANY DISCUSSION, GOING TO SO CALLED SCHOLARS FOR "EXPERT ADVICE", OR ANYWHERE. WE SIMPLY HAVE TO ACCEPT VERBATIM THE WORDS OF SRILA PRABHUPADA AND DONT CHANGE THEM IN ANY WAY.THEY ARE CLEAR- AS IS.  PERIOD.

 

Prabhupada: No, no. You limit to these three. That will do..(Radha, Krsna, Balaram)
Hayagriva: Limit to those three.

Prabhupada
: Or Visn'u. Yes. Visnu.

Hayagriva: What about avataras, in reference to Christ or Buddha?

Prabhupada: Buddha is capital used. Jesus Christ is capital used.

Satsvarupa: Then words like Krsna's "pastimes," "entourage," His "will."

Prabhupada: No, small.

Satsvarupa: Small.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Hayagriva: The possessions of Krsna, small.

Prabhupada: Small.

Satsvarupa: His hands and feet, small.

Brahmananda: Lotus feet?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Satsvarupa: Lotus flower?

Prabhupada: Yes. All small. Simply name. Stick to name.

Hayagriva: The pronoun, Krsna, who. The pronoun who, that's not...

Prabhupada: No, no. Use small.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Discussion with BTG Staff -- December 24, 1969, Boston

In 1970 when I wrote Srila Prabhupada to ask which of the "scheduled incarnations" in the First Canto are Visnu-tattva and which jiva-tattva in order to know how to capitalize their pronouns, he seemed unclear about what I meant: "All incarnations should be proper nouns and therefore
capitalized
," he wrote. "It does not matter whether they are Visnutattva or jivatattva, saktyavesa-avatara, or plenary expansion."

 

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END OF MY COMMENT

 

HARE KRSNA

 

DAMAGHOSA DAS


 

 


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